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I think that at one stage, most people ended up buying one of the Duo Press Baits following Henry's reports etc. Just wondering if anybody actually caught much on one?

Almost every single fish that I have caught this year has been on the drop (bar about 2). I just got back in from a lure 'testing' session, but if I was actually there to fish, I'm sure that I wouldn't have caught on a plug, and about the only thing that would have caught me fish would have been casting to deeper water with the likes of a jig.

Lures like all of the Press Baits, the Jackson Jig Minnow's etc etc, has anybody used them with success? I'd say that they should be VERY successful at times, but never see them featuring in reports...?

After catching so many LRF fish on the drop lately, I've been feeling pretty low on confidence every time I've put a floating plug on so far this year (which hasn't actually been that often - like I say, just for today's 'testing' really).
 

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ALL on the drop for me Ben.

That's what they are for m8.

We could do with slower falling ones though.

I really like the Pressbait / Lake Fork Method.
 

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That's what they are for m8.

We could do with slower falling ones though.
Exactly mate, thats why I've been surprised to see so few mentioned, when they actually DO what we want.

Would be nice to have a 15g+ bait that sank about the speed of a 5. Where I fish, you do need jigs (or vibs) to get out to the fish. Soft baits don't really make the distance - although they do catch the fish that are closer in.
 

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I know *** uses pressbaits alot and is quite sucessful with them (he rigs em with an additional assist hook on the top of the jig which he says vastly increases hookups)
 

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I think assist hooks are the way to go full stop - had some interesting conversations with the other guys on my trip - a cutting edge sportfishing company are ONLY using assist hooks now on their poppers and stickbaits similar to jig style - I am tempted to make something up for our normal plugs and give it a whirl ... better and cleaner hookups with minimal chances of t-boning in the eye and gills with the second hook ...
 

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3 years ago i got some butterfly jigs from shimano for some deep water jigging from the boat and its all assist hooks up at the top of the jig not at the bottom had some nice cod pollack coalfish etc.i got some small 25g jigs from maria called the mucho lucir they are proven deadly for sea trout and bass but i feel the little treble on the end has let me down on landing a good few fish.so im thinking assist hooks might be the answer i just need to find the right size.if you google shimano butterfly jigs there is some interesting video explaining about the assist hooks etc.
 

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I have a smith super ULM which i wouldn't strictly class as a jig but very similar to a press bait.
It is absolutely deadly OTD when the fish are hitting bait.
Haven't tried the press bait so can't really compare but i wouldn't be without the smith..
Flutters down horizontally side to side and the bass really slam into it.
Can't wait for megabass to make their flutter bait readily available as it looks like it may well sink slighty slower OTD which would be absolutely perfect...
 

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Yeah, forgot about the Flutta Bait actually. Must make some more enquiries.

Good call on the assist hooks. I've notived the Japanese LRF guys doing it on jigs as small as you could imagine. Although a different type of lure, my own findings recently on the Vib baits fished OTD has been that on those with hooks back and front, it's always the front that gets the hook up - whereas most of the small jigs I have only have the hook at the back. Need to sort the tiny assists. Gave the jigs a very quick go for some mackerel this evening actually and I was getting quite a few missed takes on the drop. Expect this would have been improved with a head-end hook.
 

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From my personal (and somewhat) limited experience with these small vertical jigs (I am tending to call them casting jigs), when you actually whack them out and fish them sink and draw, a treble ends up tangling a lot of the time.

Change over to little assist hooks and I just never get this problem at all. There is a place I get to fish occasionally that is awesome for shore pollack and I can't wait to get the chance to use casting jigs on them - never seen anything so lethal for shore pollack fishing before, and assist hooks for some reason seem to snag up less, or is this me just imagining things ?

Pat, that Mucho Lucir seems like a great casting jig, as does the Viva Parade - nice and cheap as well. Hopefully more and more stuff like this will become available to us. I reckon they have huge mileage for bass fishing in the right places....

As for fluttering lures, they just make perfect sense to me - had a few bass on them in Ireland, but have not used them loads and loads - that though is mainly because I think they are a specialist "tool" for specific areas, although this may well be due to my knoweldge levels with stuff like this.

BUT, if some can be found that drop far slower but still flutter really well on the way down, then perhaps their range of uses will extend. I hear exactly what you say Ben. Got some squirrely stuff here that I need to play with a bit more.........
 

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henry i forgot to say about the mucho lucir one big drawback is the finish on these are really bad.where i fish mainly is a sandy gravel bottom and after a few hours of using these the paint just falls off now maybe its just a bad batch time will tell.some of us have been using another one from maria called the little bit perfect for sea trout sink and draw its 12g and because its lighter the finish is lasting a lot longer on these ones.
 

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As for fluttering lures, they just make perfect sense to me - had a few bass on them in Ireland, but have not used them loads and loads - that though is mainly because I think they are a specialist "tool" for specific areas, although this may well be due to my knoweldge levels with stuff like this.

BUT, if some can be found that drop far slower but still flutter really well on the way down, then perhaps their range of uses will extend. I hear exactly what you say Ben.
Totally right on both points imho. Flutter baits need deeper water or stronger current ihmo.
Assist's ? Had them on my pressbaits for a while now. Big improvement in hook ups.
 

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Keith - yes, deeper water and areas of fast current.............but would slower sinking ones (if they exist) prove of some use in shallower water ? Obviously you guys are doing well with SPs on the drop at the moment..................but it makes one think about a specialist jig head that would help slow the sink rate and also cause the SP (XLayer) etc. to flutter/wobble more on the way down.

Does such a head exist, or am I barking up the wrong tree ? Very light but flatter and wide profile head, would that do it ?

As for stuff that flutters slowly, perhaps the Sebile Onduspoon is worth a look at ? See here

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descpageHARDSEBILE-SOS.html

Not sure, but might do something useful......

Pat - thanks for the info on the Mucho Lucir, will check it out - but in the end, paint coming off will surely leave a reflective silvery surface that the light bouncess off on the drop anyway ? Make sure to check out the Viva Parade rigged with little assist hooks - casts like a bullet and it has some kind of plastiky protective coating over the lure itself. Roll on June.
 

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Keith - yes, deeper water and areas of fast current.............but would slower sinking ones (if they exist) prove of some use in shallower water ? Obviously you guys are doing well with SPs on the drop at the moment..................but it makes one think about a specialist jig head that would help slow the sink rate and also cause the SP (XLayer) etc. to flutter/wobble more on the way down.

Does such a head exist, or am I barking up the wrong tree ? Very light but flatter and wide profile head, would that do it ?
Sometimes you have your moments Henry. Yes, spot on, 100%, give the man a medal.
However, this is one of things (amongst many) where we might not find it's already been done.

We have use OTD metals LRF in the 2 - 5g range but none are pure flutters. Something that falls like a leaf would be awesome but it also needs to cast.
Catch 22 but, i think it's a great idea.
 

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Tom very kindly gave me a jig head a while ago over in Ireland - I just remembered it and had a look - while it is too big for what we are talking about, it does have a flat, wide profile head that I presume would wobble/flutter on the drop...............so does a smaller version exist ? (it has a red hook and the bend of the hook is actually a V-shape, they might exist smaller ?)

Or does one have to experiment with trying to modify other jig heads etc. ? Rest assured that my DIY skills are shocking.

I see exactly what you are getting at - when my French mate said about rigging the XLayer upsdie down to get the flat side on the underneath, it made perfect sense, but the jig head he did it on was what I would call a "darter"............rigging the SP like this would make even more sense if a jig head could be found to slow it down on the drop.
 

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Henry:

The closest you will get to a horizontal falling lure is either a Gary Yamamoto Senko rigged weightless or, a specifically tuned slow sinking hard lure.
I've used both but to get horizontal flutter, both fall short. I can see the benefit of smaller flutter lures but I don't see how we can get a horizontal flutter with a weight forward biased head.
There are 'zero' heads that give the profile of jighead and lure without the bias. The idea warrants testing.
 

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At the risk of sounding mad, and offering opinions about something i know nothing about . . . . . . are we saying that we require weight, so that we can cast, but that we also require a slow sink ? If so, then we require 'bouyancy'. Bouyant items can be heavy.

Isnt this just a case of a requirement to tune a lure ?
 

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Like these? I have some in the smaller sizes that I used with some success with tiny xlayers on LRF earlier this year. The 7g size will have some application for twitching and OTD SP's as well I think.
 

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henry when the nice paint work comes off the mucho its a matt white your left with like a primer.some of my p-boy jigs are losing some paint but at least its a silver metal left which is ok.
 

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Like these? I have some in the smaller sizes that I used with some success with tiny xlayers on LRF earlier this year. The 7g size will have some application for twitching and OTD SP's as well I think.
I got myself a small selection of those but have yet to use them. Seems like a good idea in theory....
 

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Keith - I see what you mean

Pat - thanks for the info

Mark - that is the shape I had in my head, nice one !! Got to be worth a go.....

How about a Texposer style hook (weedless thing) with a moveable, flattened belly weight that can be adjusted along the bottom of the hook until you get a horizontal fall ? Kind of like flat versions of the new "slip on" Sebile belly weights that I think come with the Magic Swimmer and Stick Shadd soft lures......
 
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