[Nick Phillips]

Has anybody tried joining the two with one of those tiny but mega strong solid rings :?:
I always use knots these days but have used swivels in the past but like most am concerned about affecting the plug action.
These small rings may be worth a try and may not affect lure action as much and you may get a stronger joint.

 

[Keith White]

Nick, I haven't, purely because, most of the time, I fish a longer leader to deal with our very
clear water.

I wouldn't worry about the lure action.

Even if you are fishing stop styles, the line clip and leader will damage a plugs
'in the water' attitude, yaw and pitch etc far more than a small 'o' ring 24" or more
inches away.
It sounds like a great idea and you should try it and report back.

 

[Marty H]

Ive used rig rings for 3 seasons now after loosing faith in Albright knots because the braid was cutting the mono at times when there was big pressure put on it. I have never had a rig ring failure and being able to tie 2 uni knots either side of it makes me feel alot happier about the connection. No weight in them so no adverse effects to the lure, a winner all round in my book. I use them on the ends of my tapered leaders too when fly fishing for simple tippet changes. I only use short leaders lure fishing for bass so the ring always stays outside the tip when fishing but it can be wound through the rings when packing the reel away so you dont need to remove the leader.

You do need to check the rings before use as some brands I have bought have square edges instead of a round profile, again with square edges youll find they cut into mono. Its simple to check, the worst I found where the fox ones. Usually plenty of diff brands and shapes in the carp/coarse section of fishing shops.

Marty

 

[The Squid]

I have some small oblong rings that a friend gave me -- I think he used them for fly fishing! I might give them a try.

 

[Andy Elliott]

The prologic ones def have a square edge to them

I use lureflash ones 2mm

Andy

 

[Nick Phillips]

The prologic ones def have a square edge to them

I use lureflash ones 2mm

Andy

The Decoy ones are round section and 150lbs breaking strain,all that tensile strength in such a little ring.........Amazing.

 

[James Davis]

I'd love to know % wise how much of a difference there is between a plugs actions from mono/braid stright through to plug, albright or uni to fluoro or braid to swivel to fluoro leader.

Did that make any sense? :rollineyes:

In calm water I can imagine it being slightly more noticeable, but in more choppy waters I'm not so sure.

 

[Danny N]

[quote="Andy Elliott":17e6nc8t]The prologic ones def have a square edge to them

I use lureflash ones 2mm

Andy

The Decoy ones are round section and 150lbs breaking strain,all that tensile strength in such a little ring.........Amazing. [/quote:17e6nc8t]

Surely easier than that would be tiny swivels (like 40lb test)? Thinner profile to get throuhg the tip ring when packing away and you never have to worry about sharp edges cutting the line as they are made for tying line on.

I'm interested why would you use split rings?

PS - I don't like leader knots much either so i used a tiny swivel last weekend instead - was bending out snagged jigheads with 20lb braid and a 3ft 20lb leader - that NEVER happens with leader knot. A tiny swivel is barely noticeable but seems far more secure than line to line knots.

 

[Nick Phillips]

[quote="Andy Elliott":cr9nni1l]The prologic ones def have a square edge to them

I use lureflash ones 2mm

Andy

The Decoy ones are round section and 150lbs breaking strain,all that tensile strength in such a little ring.........Amazing.

Surely easier than that would be tiny swivels (like 40lb test)? Thinner profile to get throuhg the tip ring when packing away and you never have to worry about sharp edges cutting the line as they are made for tying line on.

I'm interested why would you use split rings?

PS - I don't like leader knots much either so i used a tiny swivel last weekend instead - was bending out snagged jigheads with 20lb braid and a 3ft 20lb leader - that NEVER happens with leader knot. A tiny swivel is barely noticeable but seems far more secure than line to line knots.[/quote:cr9nni1l]
Danny the swivels have a bigger surface area than a small ring.
With small lures this does dull down and alter the desired action of the lure.
The rings in question are not 'splitrings' but very tiny solid rings.
Decoy do a small solid ring for this sort of thing etc.

 

[Danny N]

quote]
Danny the swivels have a bigger surface area than a small ring.
With small lures this does dull down and alter the desired action of the lure.
The rings in question are not 'splitrings' but very tiny solid rings.
Decoy do a small solid ring for this sort of thing etc. [/quote]

Ah, I didn't know they were solid. Makes sense now.
Any idea who sells them online and what size do you recommend?

 

[Nick Phillips]

quote]
Danny the swivels have a bigger surface area than a small ring.
With small lures this does dull down and alter the desired action of the lure.
The rings in question are not 'splitrings' but very tiny solid rings.
Decoy do a small solid ring for this sort of thing etc.

Ah, I didn't know they were solid. Makes sense now.
Any idea who sells them online and what size do you recommend?[/quote]
Yes mate,try the oriental angler site.
There is a link from Vidars info post at the top of the page

 

[Danny N]

Cheers Nick

 

[The Squid]

When I tried out .13 Power Shot last year -- one of the main problems was that I had an 5 turn allbright knot come undone twice.

I have just started using Varivas Avani Max Power 8 strand and so far I have been using a 7 turn allbright, but this morning I started playing with knots in the shed. Using said braid and 14lb Tenryu flurocarbon I have decided that a 5 turn uni to uni may be a better option for these ultra thin braids?

 

[Danny N]

So how do you do a uni to uni?

Do you take a long loop off the main line, do a uni knot of leader around it like you would a swivel, tighten up, then do another uni using the long tag off the main line loop you made originally?

Am i right?

 

[bob jameson]

Sounds about right Danny ...

I personally would double the braid over when forming the braided side off the uni , then trim off the access ..
The saint uses this knot all the time , know doubt he will also reply :?

 

[The Squid]

So how do you do a uni to uni?

Do you take a long loop off the main line, do a uni knot of leader around it like you would a swivel, tighten up, then do another uni using the long tag off the main line loop you made originally?

Am i right?

Hi Danny,

How come that us Crapauds have to tell you Donkeys things :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously Danny, Imagine that you lie both lines parallel, the braid from the left and the fluro from the right, make a loop in the braid on the right hand side do a severn turn uni knot, wet and pull 90% tight, go to the left side and loop the fluro and do a severn turn uni knot, wet and pull 90% tight, then pull both the knots together and then thighten the braid and fluro knots and give the finished knot its last pull from the braid and fluro ends, not the tags, trim tag ends and away you go. Hope this makes sense.

This is only my opinion, and there will be others that have there own versions and other prefered knots. The Allbright is a great knot with the thicker braids, i have never had a problem with the allbright in braids .19 or bigger.

 

[AndyBertram]

having just read the thread...like to add a reminder....when tieing these knots try your best to keep the coils laid out. If they bunch over each other (usually tieing in haste) then the knot can have a higher profile and maybe weaker!

MD

 

[Michael Hall]

Hi,

I dont like knots when tying braid too fluro, I have got some korda oblong rig rings, are these ok.

Michael.