[Dave Irving]

Just spotted some new lures from Duo,
There are the Tetra Works collections, if anyone (else) is looking for some seriously small lures, this might be the place to look

http://www.duo-inc.co.jp/tw.html

Wealth Warning, looking at these lures may seriously damage your wealth :twisted:

 

[Keith White]

hmm, they look great.

Starting to build a 2010 collection as we speak but it all costs money sadly..

 

[Alex Jordan]

wow tiny - Mick has some tiny 5gms in stock - barely the size of my pinkie!
first question - what rod would fish these effectively? can't imagine our "standard" tenryu's being effective?

 

[James Davis]

Ummmm stupid question perhaps, but what fish would you target with these tiny lures?

 

[Simon L]

Ummmm stupid question perhaps, but what fish would you target with these tiny lures?

Gudgeon.

 

[dai56]

Ummmm stupid question perhaps, but what fish would you target with these tiny lures?

Now you must remember those days when the Bass won't look at the usual size lures then you see one getting caught on bait and it coughs up a dozen fry fish no bigger than an inch in length that's the day you need tiny lures it's all about matching the fry fish that the Bass are feeding on
I have never used hard plastics of this size but have used softs with some success [sections of jelly worms etc]

 

[Keith White]

Ummmm stupid question perhaps, but what fish would you target with these tiny lures?

Bream, Trigger's, Garfish, Mackerel, Bass, Wrasse, anything else that swims..

Tenryu Injection casts small 3g plugs on 15lb braid so on finer, slicker braids they'll cast
plenty far enough.

This was one of the many tests I performed on said rod when I was lucky enough to get
an extended test.

Not saying It's perfect by any means but, for next season, I'll be using that rod for
small plugs, fly spoons like mepps (for thinlips), spinner, chatter and buzz baits etc.

Got loads of power this rod but, has the finesse to handle lighter stuff.

This is perhaps one area where the japanese rods (the Tenyru's, Jackson, Megabass etc) rods could
deliver. I will tell you this, we've all got access to smaller sea fish. How you choose to either try for them
or not is up to the individual but, on the right gear, Horse Mackerel and other ignored species go like SOAHPS
on the right gear. Gar's on 6 or 8lb gear leap like Marlin given chance..(hook em on a 5#wt fly rod), Triggers ?
Blow your mind stuff (determined fighters, forget Bass) and of course, the Pigs, the Wrasse...

I love Wrasse on lures..

I've heard, these hooks are too small on those lures..., rubbish !
Coming from a coarse background, most sea hooks are WAY TOO BIG. hooksets are harder, bites fewer, lines
needed to drive them home heavier on bigger hooks.

I've taken 4lb Chub on size 26 hooks and single joker to 12 oz bottoms. Get the right rod, right drag setting etc
and you'll...

get more bites, hooksets are way easier and stronger (smaller gape is harder to bend out for equivalent wire size) and set the drag
lighter. 1 1/2lb drag will stop anything if you play th fish right. I don't see many sea anglers PLAY fish, it's either a lost art or
one that was never there.

I have fished in our Harbour, with 6lb mono leader to tiny xlayers drop shotted in 30 ft of water under the lights..
small pouting, pollack, scad etc pull my string and, I love it..

Small plugs will catch big and small fish. Same probably isn't true of bigger plugs (which are, by their nature, more focused)

I'm going to go tonight now I've wrote that just because..., I can..

LOL

 

[Andy Mason]

It's long been the Japanese way to know their species and target them precisely. Lure fishing is an art and a passion for them so, as all fish have to eat, they expend huge amounts of time trying to recreate the perfect artificial bait whether it be a worm, shrimp, frog, butterfly, baitfish, squid, you name it there's a lure out there ready for the job. I've read many a time about pressure fishing for sea bass, what to do when the bass are there but become fussy over what they take. Sometimes we all get too distracted with trying to catch that lunker, peer pressure doesn't help but we do seem to be narrow minded when it comes to catching fish. I think the Japanese have a different view and if there are fish to be caught, large or small, it's all a challenge and it takes a different mind set to target small quarry quite simply because they want to. To many of us the idea of standing on Ferry Bridge with a 120mm tide minnow trying to pull out a lunker from the schoolies would be our only thought, I'm sure the japanese would be round the corner with their ultralight tackle and tiny lures having far more fun catching schoolies on tackle they designed just for that. And in the process filming too with loads of whopping and hollaring and crazy fish playing and little bass jumping and and and...you get the picture. We're stood on the bridge with our rod bars moaning about the bloody 1lb'er that keep hitting or lure that was meant for a 5lb that might just be going past at some point and complaining we're not having fun.

We'll wake up one day and we'll be happy to have a little UL rod that casts up to 4grs, with a 2000 reel and 5lb fluro. We'll be joyous in the fact we've caught and released 50 bass because 'thats what we wanted to do'. These tiny little lures are not designed for us and thats why we need to embrace new ideas, new techniques, new tackle and most of all open our minds to what others have been doing for decades.

Who would like to catch 6" fish on a 1gr lure by the dozen? I do it now and it's great fun, honest it is. Maybe it only me, but I'd love to go ultra light and try and catch more species on lures full stop. Worms, shrimps, crabs, beetles, spiders, the list is endless, i want to try them all and CATCH on them, no matter how small the species.

 

[Dave Irving]

MyFish, And Blockhead,
Both your comments are the reason I put this link up.
SCALE the tackle to the fish, and the size of the fish isn't important. Ultralight gear for Mackerel, and Scad was AWESOME this year. Didn't get many chances due to the weather. But boy oh boy do they go well.
Japanese Rocking fishing techniques might mean I can get Bream on UL kit too. Something to look forward to next year.

 

[Alex Jordan]

One of the best days I had this year was hitting 27 schoolies on a 6wt in Chi harbour with Justin Anwyl - was early in the season but pulled my string - such a work rate left me dripping with sweat and cramp in my casting thumb!

 

[James Davis]

So these little blighters are worth a go then? I've had a couple for a while now but never really tested them properly.

Reckon I could wee further than my Shukan could cast the above... Then again I haven't actually tried.

Damn and blast it, now I'm going to have to look for a new ultra light rod and perhaps a little 2500 reel. Such a hassle :twisted:

Apologies for the poor picture. I must invest in a new point and shoot camera that takes ultra good close ups and this site has cut off some of the pic for some reason? Well on my laptop it has.

 

[Chris Guest]

Guys I have picked up a lovley little spinning rod from the U.S its casting weight is 3/16-1/2oz any ideas on which surface/just sub surface plugs I might use?

B.T.W Any idea on how I insert an avatar, step by step like?

I'm hoping this forum might be a "breath of fresh air" and stay that way.

 

[Mike Kennard]

Hmmmm, I love proper ultralight fishing!!!! My lightest ultralight rod weighs under 2 ounces and cast UP TO 1/8oz!!!! I have used it to target small bass up to about a 1lb and it is an absolute blast! It won 't cast far enough to catch mackerel normally! There are loads of lures available to fish on gear that light, soft plastics are by far and away the easiest to use in the majority of situations and far cheaper if you risk losing them. It is suprising how large a fish can be landed on balanced light or ultralight tackle.
One of the problems is that light lures don't cast very far. A finesse (largemouth) bass rod will cast an ultralight lure further than a true ultralight rod but will give great sport with anything you hook and likely give you a better chance of landing it. A 2500 size reel is normally too big for this size rod and 1000 or 2000 will balance better.
In Japan they have a fish (generic) called Rockfish. They are roughly similar shape and size to a small pout and they target them with lures. In Australia they target saltwater bream with the same type of equipment. All of this kit is saltwater specific and ideal for ultralight saltwater fishing in the UK. So if you hunt around you can get loads of saltwater specific plugs, soft plastics and metals in ultralight sizes. We just need to persuade some enlightened dealers to stock a few (any suggestions? )
Dave pointed out to me today that Daiwa France have their 2010 catalogue on-line in pdf format. They are starting to do the LRF (light rock fish) tackle in there so all we need to do is find an online shop that sells it and away you go.