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Hi. Thought I'd put my first post here as it comprises quite a long tackle enquiry too. I've mailed this to **** also and plan to speak to him on Friday but it's always good to get some food for thought. Also, thanks to Simon for hinting in the direction of this forum.

Straight to the point, my wife and I have been a fly-fishers for several years and, living as we do very close the SW Wales coast (Carms/Pembs) we have decided to give sea bass fishing a try. Now we are TOTALLY new to this (have ordered Hooked on Bass but it has yet to come) and I want to ensure I don't screw up in making some potentially expensive buying decisions. I have often thought when trying something new that I will invest in reasonably priced kit and upgrade if I get into it. Probably a good idea in this case too BUT I have a little extra cash at mo that's itching to be spent and I suppose I can ease the pain by saying it may help me save wasted money selling unwanted kit if I go straight for what I think we might want. Only here once!!!!

So, it will likely be an expensive decision but I'm looking for some advice to purchase two complete rigs (wife and I). We will likely be shore fishing 95% of the time and my preference is for spinners/lures as opposed to bait. I understand that most people tend to use lures these days as opposed to the more traditional spinners like the Dexter Wedge etc. and as a result the more specialist (shorter) plugging rods tend to be favoured over the longer and slightly heavier traditional spinners.

I had thought about getting a couple of the Grauvell Teklon Concept Spin 802s and a couple of Shimano Technium 4000s and indeed that might be considered the best option but if the performance is THAT much better, in this case, I'd happily up the budget some. After more reading I also added the consideration of the Sakura Rookie or the Mazerra also.

Truth is though I'm a little confused? The Henry Gilbey site which I found very useful talks about 3 Tenyru rods (Super Mix 240, Red Dragon Express and the Rod Bar) and I'm not sure which would be better suited for us and our location, if any, or whether such rods are somewhat over the top? Since then, **** has also mailed and suggested the RLSD as a worthy contender too.

I'm also not quite sure what the use would be of the 13' beach-casters I read about, surely the 8' plugging rods are also for beaches? Is it because the plugging rods you often wade or are the beach-casters for longer shallower shelves of sand where the length gets a good long cast out?

One consideration I do have is that my wife suffers a little from a condition which can make her neck and arms tire a little so I am looking at gear which is as LIGHT and easy to use as possible and where the rod can do most of the work getting the lure out. I did even consider getting us different rods but the danger with always is both of us may have a preference for just one of the rods.

On the reel front I wondered whether to go for the Stella as a match-up but having read loads of threads etc I was starting to come down in favour, subject to a chat to ****, of the Rarenium 3000.

Following trawling the threads here and 'other places' :wink: I am starting to come down in favour of the Super Mix 240 with the Rarenium 4000 (which Simon kindly pm'd me about to say he'd tried the 3 and 4000 on his 240 and felt the 4000 better)


Any thoughts on rods/reels and indeed anything else that might be essential for bass fishing would be appreciated. On the line front I did consider trying top-end braid but I have read a couple of times that it is perhaps better to learn to use it with a more mid-range offering. Berkley Fireline has been suggested at 20lb BS which has a coating making it perhaps an easier intro to braid? I'd perhaps look to bed the spool with 15/20 lb mono and possibly even use a 2' length of fluoro as a leader on the tip of the braid to try and avoid lure snags in the braid?

Key point is FOR NOW I only really want one rod and I'd like it to be light and flexible enough to handle most of what we'd be likely to try. If it could handle hard and soft plastics and maybe cast the occasional trad metal spinner it would be ideal but I'm not THAT bothered about the latter.

Also, any local places selling Greys GRXi waders and Platinum boots? Not sure I want the hassle of postal ordering and sending back if size is wrong.

Any help appreciated.
 

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Hi again Adrian.

You already have my thoughts on Rods & Reels, so i'll let the others chip in with their comments.

As for Braid, personally, i love the Power Shot in either 15lb or 20lb. I find it a lovely line to use. You'll find it here . . . http://www.mrfishjersey.com/fishing-tackle/line-and-braid/powerline-power-shot.html

As for local places for waders & boots, i have the Greys GRXi waders & Platinum Boots. I got them from HR Jones in Clydach. He usually does the guys from here a good deal. He doesnt have a website, but you'll find his contact details and shop here . . . http://www.yell.com/b/H.R.+Jones+and+Co-Fishing+Tackle-Swansea-SA65LN-900367441/index.html ask for Mark.
 

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Adrian, so many questions but I guess that's natural if you are just starting a new discipline. First the good news - like you I live near the Carms/Pembs border and having started lure fishing for bass fishing in 2008 have discovered we live in a great part of the country with good stocks of bass and loads of marks to choose from. Also a number of these are suitable for fly-fishing so don't rule that option out when conditions suit! Much of the advice you have been given is sound and it comes down to a few factors. As your budget seems generous I think that is less of a restricting factor so it comes to what style of lures you end up preferring to fish. The SuperMix is a terrific rod and with a Rarenium would make a good outfit. Going lighter for your wife's sake you could look at the Tenryu Injection (more suited to small lures or soft plastic lures) as well as those already mentioned. If you wanted to do a season on a cheaper (but very adequate!) set-up until you found your preferences you could look at the Bushwacker, Teklon, Rookie etc with a mid range reel. If you then wanted to go down a specific avenue you could choose a specialist rather than general outfit.
As regards braid, everyone has their favourites. I have used Whiplash Crystal and Power Pro and both are well proven at a sensible budget and usable without too much caution.
The 13' rods you mentioned are for bait fishing, not lures. Even since Henry Gilbey produced his DVD he has changed opinion to prefer 8' (ish) light lure rods, braided lines and hi-tech lures (lots of advice on his blog). You would be welcome to come and have a look at kit with us at any number of S Pembs venues by arrangement. Simon has a wide range of kit (sorry Si - but it's true!) and we have a few rods & reels as well so you could get a frame of reference for your purchases. It is all good stuff but it's about finding something which not only does the job you ask of it, but also gives you pleasure to use. PM Any of us if you want to arrange a meet - conveniently we know some marks right by good pubs too!
PS HR Jones just did me a great deel on some wading boots. The other places to try would be Garry Evans in Newport, Tackle Smart Swansea or Fishtec in Brecon (wide range of waders and boots to try).
 

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@ Simon: Yes and I'm sorely tempted with the Super Mix and Rarenium 4000 as a result :mrgreen: I'll look at HR Jones soon as I get chance. Thanks for the thoughts on braid.

@ Tim: Thanks also. The best option may be to take you and Simon (who offered also via another channel) to handle a few of the set-ups. I'll also talk to ****. Budget is less of a concern this time (treat) but I'd rather get it right. Didn't realise the Injection was lighter, is it as versatile as the Mix sounds? My wife can handle a 9' AFTM 8 no problem so it's not THAT critical but the lighter the better for both of us I suppose if going for a few hours :mrgreen: If we really could not decide we might do a season with a Rookie or a Teklon but I'd prefer to avoid that IF possible. The problem is we could spend a season using a rod that is not really what we wanted whereas the time might be better spent finding it. I'll bear the tackle places in mind, esp as we often go to Brecon. Also, thanks for the offer again, will PM closer to the time.
 

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Adrian, just to give you a quick rundown on the Tenryu range from 'my' understanding . . . . . . .

Rod Bar 270: 9ft, plenty of grunt, good off the rocks, or in a strong tidal race. Will cope with most scenarios. Ultra Fast action, good for imparting maximum sub-surface action. Will punch a plug out there in tough conditions, and bully a fish in when required. Rated 5 - 50gms.

Rod Bar 240: As above, but shorter (8ft).

Rod Bar 210: As above, but shorter (7ft).

Supermix 270: All rounder, a few grams lighter than the equivalent Rod Bar, Medium to Fast action, but very stiff butt due to tip section being longer than butt, therefore very stiff butt, but more 'feel' in the tip section for smaller fish (albeit will cope with a double - hey Bob??). Powerful, but in a different way to the Rod Bar. A genuine all-rounder. Rated 10 - 60gms.

Supermix 240: As above, but shorter. I landed a 'very' hard fighting 9lb 3oz specimen on mine recently :D

Supermix 210: As above, but shorter, and a few grams 'heavier' than the equivalent Rod Bar.

Red Luck Super Distance: 8'2". Basically a lighter version of the Rod Bar - but seems to be loved by those that have them!! This is very high up my wish-list. Rated 8 - 30gms.

Red Luck Top Water: 7'2". Short powerful fast-actioned rod. Good with diving lures as well as top water. Perhaps more suited to short-range work & boat / kayak use? Rated 5 - 28gms.

Ultimate: 9' 8". More powerful than the Rod Bar perhaps - a longer version. Rated 14 - 42gms.

Red Dragon: More grunt, for bigger & heavier lures. Longer (nearly 10ft) than the others. "The Beast" - for turning & landing crocodiles!!! Rated 20 - 60gms.

Injection: 7'3". Finesse end, for light work, soft plastics, small lures. Rated 5 - 28gms. I have one of these, and they are lovely (i prefer it to my Supermix, but there are days when it would be outgunned)!! I've landed double-figure Pike on this rod. It's a 2 piece rod, but one section is basically the handle, therefore is only about 1' long. So in reality, it probably behaves more like a 1 piece rod.

Rage: A baitcasting 6ft'er, for vertical jigging, it is light as a feather and not stiff but very powerful

Racer: A fixed spool version of the Rage.


There are over 50 rods in the range.

Hope this helps?
 

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Jeeez!!! Thanks Simon and thanks for the time to list them. For what I THINK we might want I could possibly stab at a short-list as:

1) Supermix 240/Rarenium 4000: Sounds the number 1 to me at the moment for desirability, weight and flexibility (10-60gms).

2) RLSD/Same reel: Close contender but I get the IMPRESSION it may not be as versatile for our needs as the 240. @Simon: Out of interest - having a Super Mix 240 already in what circumstances would you use the RLSD over it? Windier?

3) Injection/Rarenium 3000?: A potential for my wife perhaps BUT as she would happily be able to handle a Super Mix I wonder if it might be too restrictive on some occasions?

Getting there :mrgreen: I suppose one consideration is whether there is anything any of those rigs won't do as well and whether we consider that 'gap' to be a more desirable aspect of our fishing, thus needing to be filled and thus requiring a different type of rod? We will get there soon.

Thanks for all the help.
 

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Adrian, just to give you a quick rundown on the Tenryu range from 'my' understanding . . . . . . .

Rod Bar 270: 9ft, plenty of grunt, good off the rocks, or in a strong tidal race. Will cope with most scenarios. Ultra Fast action, good for imparting maximum sub-surface action. Will punch a plug out there in tough conditions, and bully a fish in when required. Rated 5 - 50gms.

Rod Bar 240: As above, but shorter (8ft).

Rod Bar 210: As above, but shorter (7ft).

Supermix 270: All rounder, a few grams lighter than the equivalent Rod Bar, Medium to Fast action, but very stiff butt due to tip section being longer than butt, therefore very stiff butt, but more 'feel' in the tip section for smaller fish (albeit will cope with a double - hey Bob??). Powerful, but in a different way to the Rod Bar. A genuine all-rounder. Rated 10 - 60gms.

Supermix 240: As above, but shorter. I landed a 'very' hard fighting 9lb 3oz specimen on mine recently :D

Supermix 210: As above, but shorter, and a few grams 'heavier' than the equivalent Rod Bar.

Red Luck Super Distance: 8'2". Basically a lighter version of the Rod Bar - but seems to be loved by those that have them!! This is very high up my wish-list. Rated 8 - 30gms.

Red Luck Top Water: 7'2". Short powerful fast-actioned rod. Good with diving lures as well as top water. Perhaps more suited to short-range work & boat / kayak use? Rated 5 - 28gms.

Ultimate: 9' 8". More powerful than the Rod Bar perhaps - a longer version. Rated 14 - 42gms.

Red Dragon: More grunt, for bigger & heavier lures. Longer (nearly 10ft) than the others. "The Beast" - for turning & landing crocodiles!!! Rated 20 - 60gms.

Injection: 7'3". Finesse end, for light work, soft plastics, small lures. Rated 5 - 28gms. I have one of these, and they are lovely (i prefer it to my Supermix, but there are days when it would be outgunned)!! I've landed double-figure Pike on this rod.

Rage: A baitcasting 6ft'er, for vertical jigging, it is light as a feather and not stiff but very powerful

Racer: A fixed spool version of the Rage.


There are over 50 rods in the range.

Hope this helps?
Spot on there,I have owned the Bar270 and have the RLSD at the moment.
The RodBar is stunning for plugging from rocks etc and comes into its own when the wind gets up,if I were to buy again I would go for the shorter 240 (7'10") version as I did find the length of my 270 a bit too long.
The RLSD that I have just 'invested' in is slimmer and has a shorter handle and really does feel like you are holding a very slim stiff 'rapier' sword.(good description)
 

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2) RLSD/Same reel: Close contender but I get the IMPRESSION it may not be as versatile for our needs as the 240. @Simon: Out of interest - having a Super Mix 240 already in what circumstances would you use the RLSD over it? Windier?
I take the Supermix at the moment, versus the Injection, when i feel that i may need to really punch out a reasonably sized lure into the wind (Feed Shallow, Tide Minnow, etc . . ). Or if i simply feel that i'll be fishing a mark where i may need to choose larger plugs that are more comfortably within the weight range of the Mix. Or if there's a decent swell running, and i think i may need to work a lure harder to get it to bite into the swell (when using a DTM Surf model for example).

So i guess the same would hold true for the RLSD. If i thought the conditions allowed the use of the RLSD i would use it, and if i thought that i wasnt going to be doing much work with s/p's, as i would imagine that the RLSD would be less suitable for s/p's due to it's ultra-fast action ? I stand to be corrected on that though by others that have that rod, and may feel it is suitable for s/p work?

I would see the RLSD as a lighter option versus the Mix, due to it's reduced weight rating, and a good light rod for hard plastic use.
 

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Mate Im over in Wales in July (will be in Pembs The Gower & Penarth) - I can let you try a supermix 240 a bar270 a shukan and a baby bushwhacker if youre prepared to meet somehwere - if you cant wait I think there are a few Tenyrus, Megabass rods etc amongst the Welsh boys (Im sure someone will let you have a whang)
 

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Some great advice there. ..I live in north pembs and fish most of my time in cardigan bay. I have a sakura rookie and you are welcome to meet and give a it cast or have a look.
If you fancy joining us for a chuck some time or to have a look at our gear just give me a pm.
 

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Hi Adrian,

Some really good advice there, I have an RLSD/Rarenium 4000, love it. Will hopefully be down that neck of the woods soon (within the next 3 weeks) and your welcome to have a waggle :)

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Hywel
 

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Hi guys,

Thanks for all the offers and pointers to various stores. Am really not about much until August so will unfortunately have to pass on some offers of meets in July. Once I'm back around again i will certainly look to arrange a meet or two to have a look at what's what.

Really starting to come down on the Super Mix 240 with Rarenium 4000 to be honest and, subject to a chat to **** tomorrow, and potentially having a meet or two before buying (I just need to be careful that the rods dont go out of stock just as I want to buy though so may well end up ordering soon to be sure I get the tackle from day 1 I am available), I will likely be opting for that :mrgreen:

As an aside, is Monster Tackle OK to buy from? I only ask because i was looking at braids a couple of days ago and i notice Monster were doing Berkley Fireline at £14.99 v Veals at £24.99. Now I may be missing some small print and/or it may not be the same stuff but £10 seems a heck of a saving? I've often seen a few £ difference on tackle every now and the between the big suppliers but rarely £10 on a product so low in price.
 

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Monster are a good shop. Their lures are good value too. I have alwats received 1st class service from the lads there. Not sure about Fireline though. I think the Whiplash Crystal and PowerPro are more popular but couldn't tell you the differences.
SuperMix & Rarenium would be a very swanky set-up indeed!
 

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Check spool size - Veals sounds about right for 300m - where as monster sounds about right for a 125m.
 

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@ Chris: Ah. That's what I missed.

@ Nick Phillips: Tried to reply to your PM but wouldn't let me until I have 10 posts?? Had to post here:

Thanks for that. AGM? I was surprised the Fireline was £10 cheaper than Veals. Obviously pays to shop around for some things. Just thinking of which braids will be easier for first time use. Someone recommended the Fireline because of it's polymer type coating making it handle more easily until used to it? I'll have a look at what you suggest. Will look at the rods too but I'm fairly sold on Tenyru.
 

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If you can afford one then you won't go far wrong with a Tenryu.
 
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