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Being fairly new to lure fishing I would appreciate some general rod advice.. I’m looking to fish soft plastics on light jig heads, whilst also being able to fish a selection of hard lures..

Will a general all-rounder allow me to fish both these methods effectively, or am I better looking at a different rod for each? If looking at an all-rounder then what would cover both bases?

Any advice to set me on my way would be great.

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I have been using the Lucky Craft ESGII 8'7" 3-30g rod all this season. I have been using many lures from 7g SPs to 30g surface lures. This is a good all round rod.
 

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The answer to your question is that no one rod can truly do both tasks brilliantly. But if you can stretch your wallet sufficiently I'm told the Tenyru supermix 240 is about as close as you will get. Can't speak personally, but am hopefully getting one myself in Four weeks. As I like to carry a fly rod as well I am also looking for the best of both worlds, and after much research, it is this rod which is mentioned nearly every time.
 

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Cheers David - dont think the budget will handle that unfortunately, looking at around £200-£250 for a rod and reel. I think i knew the answer to my question tbh, as you say that no one rod can effectively cover both bases. Will keep looking round and seeking advice and see what comes up..

Thanks again.
 

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If you're new to lure fishing then I'd advise starting fairly cheap, then deciding what you like best, get some experience and then spend out on some dedicated gear later. There's some good rods out there for less than £100. You might as well get a good reel to start with as you'll be likely to be using that with whatever rod(s) you eventually decide on.

If you want to spend a little more to start with then the Teklon concept 802ML is a pretty good allrounder (if you can live with the pink trim).
 

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Perhaps I'm going against the grain a little here but I'd suggest just getting the rod that's best suited to your plugging for now. I'm sure it would cope adequately with SP's for the time being, then later on when budget allows you can get a specialist SP rod. I've had a Rod Bar for my plugging for a while now and people have recently been persuading me to try SP's and although I know it's FAR from ideal, it's coped well enough for wrasse in the rough stuff for me to still feel confident using it until I've saved for an Injection.

If you're new to lure fishing, it'll still feel electric when you get a bite due to the stiff tip transmitting everything through the braid, although it undoubtedly lacks the finesse that an SP expert would be used to.



*Not suggesting for a second you start off with a Bar, as I totally echo Adrian's advice. Just saying that for a beginner, most plugging rods will cover SP's relatively well to start off with in my opinion
 

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Cheers for the advice guys, much appreciated.

Rob - i see you're from the great city that is Manchester like me; where's the nearest place that stocks modern style lure rods - i've been on all the likely mail order sites but would like to get a feel for the different weights, lengths etc?
 

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I don't really know to be honest with you Marcus! I was in Trafford Angling this morning and some of the pike gear in there is starting to look pretty useful now, they're really beginning to raise their game. Like you, I tend to make most of my major purchases by mail order based on research and people's experience on here, I'd recommend giving **** Ward at MrFish a call on 01534 618886 for a chat about what suits you the best.

Keep an eye out for some meets or "Bumbles" as it's a good chance to have a try with other people's set-ups and see what you think.


http://www.thelureforum.com/showthread.php?t=4787

http://www.thelureforum.com/showthread.php?t=4782
 

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Yeah i was in Trafford last week looking at the lure rods - they do seem to have a decent pike section, although never really been into piking that much, despite having been bitten off a few times on the Bridgewater!!

I've been exchanging emails with ****, he's come up with some options. Will look out for the 'bumbles'
 

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The answer to your question is that no one rod can truly do both tasks brilliantly. But if you can stretch your wallet sufficiently I'm told the Tenyru supermix 240 is about as close as you will get. Can't speak personally.
I can.

I wouldn't recommend a supermix for any of the soft plastics we've done this year.
Way too stiff and insensitive. For heavier SP's maybe but, outside of headland races or chucking big sidewinders, no.
 

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I can.

I wouldn't recommend a supermix for any of the soft plastics we've done this year.
Way too stiff and insensitive. For heavier SP's maybe but, outside of headland races or chucking big sidewinders, no.

I agree with Keith, Supermix is too stiff and insensitive for some sp's. I use to own one but now prefer the lucky craft ESGII's. The lighter 2.6-23g is a good all rounder that I tend to use a lot, I also own the 3-30g version which is a different aminal altogether, being much more stiffer.
I use the lighter ESGII for some topwater work as well, it is very easy to get your timing correct when working then with a softer rod imo.
 

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I would also say that if you are wanting to work small softies with light jig heads the SuperMix is the wrong tool for the job.
I will be investing in the 7'7" ESG for this job,I am also having one of my 'amazing' Sages re-built with a more modern handle and lighter SiC titanium rings.
The Sages have a very fast action but a very soft tip,they are designed for flicking out small crabs on light lines for fish like Bones etc.
I have tried small softies+jig head on both the RB270 and the RLSD and it 'Dont Work'.
The Lucky Craft range of rods really does look brilliant for HRF and general plugging etc.
 

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Just to play devil's advocate there is every reason to go for a heavier rod and stronger current as Keith suggests, however I would suspect that anyone who has not worked their way down from a heavier rod or does not have a light tackle/coarse fishing background could well struggle with a decent fish in certain conditions on a lighter rod. You owe it to the fish not to wear it out in a long fight only to lose it and leave it swimming away totally knackered with your hook(s) still in it. Crushed barbs or otherwise.
 

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Lads can we bear in mind that Marcus is "fairly new to lure fishing" and his budget for rod and reel is £200 to £250

Not sure going into specialist tools is such a great idea so soon
 

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why not starting with "good value" gear? Seven feet Bushwhacker in 10-30gramm e.g. combined with a rarenium reel? Then after trying all the things you wanna do with your rod, youll see where it is missing funktionality and in which area its working really good for you. Then have a grip to more to your wishes specialized rods.

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I can.

I wouldn't recommend a supermix for any of the soft plastics we've done this year.
Way too stiff and insensitive. For heavier SP's maybe but, outside of headland races or chucking big sidewinders, no.
Well looks like I may be barking up the wrong tree here with the supermix Keith. I would certainly appreciate your great experience. 80% of my lure fishing so far has been hard plastics. Tending only to soft plug when wanting to go weedless. Apart from the lucky craft that has been mentioned, what would be your weapon of choice - (in both price ranges)
 

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See Mark Wills new thread on his lure PB and various other fish on his Rodbar 270 and xLayer. A good general purpose rod IME.
 

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why not starting with "good value" gear? Seven feet Bushwhacker in 10-30gramm e.g. combined with a rarenium reel? Then after trying all the things you wanna do with your rod, youll see where it is missing funktionality and in which area its working really good for you. Then have a grip to more to your wishes specialized rods.

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Bang on Thomas. Perfect starter kit capable of the all round work (OK so it's not perfect at either) without breaking the bank. You could even get two whackers (10-30 and 15-40) for the money and use the same reel and spare spool with different lighter braid for HRF softies.
 

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could well struggle with a decent fish in certain conditions on a lighter rod. You owe it to the fish not to wear it out in a long fight only to lose it and leave it swimming away totally knackered with your hook(s) still in it.
Agreed. A 4lb fish with its head down in fast current on light(ish) gear isn't easy if you haven't been fishing long!
 
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