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Has anyone used the PR knot tied with a knot bobbin it looks like a very small neat knot but not sure what it is like
 

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No, not tried it but have tried similar. Should be very strong.
We need a very streamlined leader for the HRF, one that has to run the gauntlet of small guides too.
 

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PR knot is a great connection. I use it for jigging mainly. Its easier to tie with a heavy leader as its important that the shock leader nylon doesn't twist too much in your hands as you spin the bobbin. There are other variations based on the same principle like the FG knot which might be preferable to the PR. The knot in the video below is actually an FG but the name changed somewhere in translation. Its important to maintain pressure during tying so that the PE line bites into the mono. Its a good knot for standard nylon, not so good if you're using flouro due to the hard coating resisting the braid biting. My tip would be to give the tag end on the shock leader a tug with your teeth after each few wraps to snug everything up. When you've made sufficient wraps then put the standing end of the leader round your shoe, hold the other end in your teeth, take each end of the braid in each hand and pull from all four points. This sets the knot nicely and helps the PE bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qom1E-ihA

I think even better than the FG knot would be to get one of these tools. With practice you should be able to tie the knot reasonable quickly but its not something I'd want to do on the rocks at night.

http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/...5/studio-ocean-mark/ocean-knoter-ok55-bk.html

I normally tie up an FG knot at home but quickly change up to a bimini and cats paw loop to loop connection if I get snapped off. If you put twists into your shock leader before you make the end loop the loop will stay twisted and closed and not get hung up on guides. I use this on baitcaster gear with small guides and no issues so far.
 

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Sorry, PS. Friction knots on flouro need to be longer and tighter. I think you could get away with a PR down to about PE 1.5 - 15lb leader. Below that I'm not sure, you might cause too much damage to the leader itself. Could well be wrong on that though, just my opinion.

You can make a very cheap PR bobbin from a fly-tying bobbin and an empty thread spool. Just wrap the arbor of the spool with insulating or duct tape so the PE can grip it. You need the PE to come off the bobbin under tension so once you've wrapped enough round the spool wrap it a few times round the bobbin leg. The bobbin should stay tight to the shock leader as you spin, there should be no PE line visible between the tip of the bobbin and where the wraps are forming.

The knot should be around 4-6cm long. I don't like to have it on my spool when I cast as i feel it causes too many wind knots.

Hope all that made sense.
 

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I used hand tied FG for all of my fishing....very neat strong and stream line.....but need a lot of practice before u can master it....
 

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thanks for the tips I tried a pr knot today having made the bobbin as described by Dave and eemed to hold well I will look at the FG knot
 

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Realistically?

Is this reaslistic for rough ground shore fishing (or boat) where leaders might need to be replaced quickly and shoals can pass in minutes?

You'd need three hands and a friendly dentist......I do like the idea of 65lb braid and 80lb leader, but I would be banished from the LRF club fo ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e9XgPsWZao
 

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Out of curiosity does anyone use the Sebile Knot? It looks a little easier to tie and I'm having problems with my albright knots failing so I'm looking for a alternative that I could tie on the shore. I've tried the slim beauty with some improvement but I like the idea of these knot less type knots as in theory they should have a much higher knot strength.
 

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I will have a go, because I don't believe in criticising things I haven't tried, but it looks like an FG knot with less teeth involved! I can see how this works for heavier mono and braid, but as the first comment on that thread suggests, it may be difficult for lighter braids. Still looks a bitch to tie in a F5 in the dark mind you!
 

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Just wrote a long reply but the quality Wi Fi on East Coast Trains deleted it for me. Why is it that everything associated with trains is broken and will always let you down?!

Totally agree FG/PR etc are a ball ache to tie if there are fish busting or the weather/light/sea conditions are unfavourable. Depending on how often you get broken off it can be worth having a spare spool rigged with a leader knot tied at home. Or just use a bimini loop-loop. It's rare that the bimini breaks when you get a bust off so to change a leader is very quick.
 

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Sorry it seems to much messing about to me. Never had any trouble with a uni-knot. But wrap the braid 12 times around the line first then form a loop and 11 time though the loop pull tight done. Never had it slip or break at the knot.
 
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