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My search for the perfect plugging rod has been going on for many years. In that time I have bought or built countless different rods, initially in glass then various forms of carbon until now I have some custom built or JDM lure rods to satisfy my never ending search for my holy grail of lure rods.

I have to have the best rod for the job. That doesn't mean the most expensive or most exclusive but the one that works the best. I own at least 30 lure rods, some of which are the afore mentioned glass including the one that landed my personal best lure caught bass of 9lb 4oz about twenty years ago. In wanting the best rod for the job, first I have to work out what the job is, then spend months of research, normally buying the best I can find/afford.

Note 'the best I can find/afford', so far not the perfect rod. Along the way I keep asking myself the same questions: why can't I buy my perfect rod? Does my perfect rod exist?

Compromise. Why do I always end up compromising? Why do manufacturers sell us what they do? Recently things are starting to move ahead but the same things keep bugging me. Why are so many lure rods rated to 50 or 60 grams? How many bass lure anglers possess a 60 gram lure? 50gram lure? 40 gram? 30lb line? 20lb line? Seriously what are we fishing for? Who are we kidding? Do we go out looking for a 20oz rated beachcaster just in case one day 5oz won't be enough? Why do we need 50 or 60gm rated rods?

Why are we trying to fish SPs and hard baits on the same rods? They require inherently different techniques which in turn demands different rod characteristics. It will either do one or the other well, but to do both will be a compromise and often not a good one.

In Japan their bass seems to be of larger average size than ours, they use the same size lures a lot of the time, same reels, line but rarely are their rods rated for more than 30grams.

Although I haven't found my holy grail of rods, I am fishing with the right rod for the job about 80% of the time. Surely if a rod is rated to 50 or 60grams then it will be the wrong rod for the job 99% of the time?

Before I upset anybody, this little missive is just me airing my frustration at what *I* am looking for. If everybody else has their holy grail of rods I will keep searching.

But I would be interested to hear other people's views on rod perfection.
 

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Mike, get more sleep and make another post and thank someone quick, your post count is 666 and you've been thanked 13 times. Spin round, touch some wood, pick some lucky heather just move on quick mate then I'll reply.
 

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Mike, nothing is perfect - you clearly think too much! Truth is you could probably catch a bass with a piece of hazel and some twine in the right conditions and most pluggin rods would be better than that :)

Andy - You worry too much. I know some Norweigens who would be only too chuffed to have posted 666 times, infact after that many posts they might just quit the forums and leave it at that after throwing some horns and waving a battle axe aloft shouting along to Amon Amarth. Henry might even join in.
 

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Mike - the sooner you realise that there isn't a perfect rod, and that all our fishing tackle is a compromise the better.

It's like realising you really ain't gonna catch all the bass - so why count? Enjoy all of them, big and small.

It's like realising you ain't ever gonna earn all the money, so why bother searching and stressing for your job?

Take it easy, go fishing and enjoy it.

Note to self - apply the above.
 
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My search for the perfect plugging rod has been going on for many years. In that time I have bought or built countless different rods, initially in glass then various forms of carbon until now I have some custom built or JDM lure rods to satisfy my never ending search for my holy grail of lure rods. I have to have the best rod for the job. That doesn't mean the most expensive or most exclusive but the one that works the best. I own at least 30 lure rods, some of which are the afore mentioned glass including the one that landed my personal best lure caught bass of 9lb 4oz about twenty years ago. In wanting the best rod for the job, first I have to work out what the job is, then spend months of research, normally buying the best I can find/afford. Note 'the best I can find/afford', so far not the perfect rod. Along the way I keep asking myself the same questions: why can't I buy my perfect rod? Does my perfect rod exist? Compromise. Why do I always end up compromising? Why do manufacturers sell us what they do? Recently things are starting to move ahead but the same things keep bugging me. Why are so many lure rods rated to 50 or 60 grams? How many bass lure anglers possess a 60 gram lure? 50gram lure? 40 gram? 30lb line? 20lb line? Seriously what are we fishing for? Who are we kidding? Do we go out looking for a 20oz rated beachcaster just in case one day 5oz won't be enough? Why do we need 50 or 60gm rated rods? Why are we trying to fish SPs and hard baits on the same rods? They require inherently different techniques which in turn demands different rod characteristics. It will either do one or the other well, but to do both will be a compromise and often not a good one. In Japan their bass seems to be of larger average size than ours, they use the same size lures a lot of the time, same reels, line but rarely are their rods rated for more than 30grams. Although I haven't found my holy grail of rods, I am fishing with the right rod for the job about 80% of the time. Surely if a rod is rated to 50 or 60grams then it will be the wrong rod for the job 99% of the time? Before I upset anybody, this little missive is just me airing my frustration at what *I* am looking for. If everybody else has their holy grail of rods I will keep searching. But I would be interested to hear other people's views on rod perfection.
Mike, I understand what you mean and to a degree I agree with what you mean. I think everyones fishing changes or at least the outlook, you may be more experienced or just altered your outlook of exactly how you fish, or how you go about things? Specific rods in my opinion can be found for specific methods like anything else, but its upto you as an individual how you apply the need into the finding these specific ones. If you find one that covers all your fishing needs then you have found your ' grail ' but if not, then you will turn to sourcing individual rods for your individually intended methods. A rod that covers all possible intentions may not exist to certain individuals, but to others a compromise does exist. Its a dilemma for some but not others, cost for some but not others if you know what I mean? More product availability and awareness means more choice, and more dilemmas for individuals. Its called individuality, its in us all.

" man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be " Albert Einstein
 

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Yup, Know what you mean Mike, way back in the 80's I picked up a fewick boron X steelhead blank at stock clearance time, 8' 6", half to one ounce casting, lines from 8 to 17 pounds test. Possibly the best bassspinning rod I've ever had, though I only used it for pike at the time! With 12lbs line you could use it for anything , unfortunatly it had an aversion to car doors and I ended up with with a sloppy 10 foot daiwa thats still going strong. My new Lucky Craft is rated at 3 to 30 grams but is pushing the envelope at either end, but more than OK with the lures I actualy use . . . .
 

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I agree with some of your points Mike, no such thing as one perfect rod though-I wish there was!!
It comes down to the compromises, better for hard baits, better for softs, good with heavy lures, better with light lures. I spent a long time hunting for what I concidered to be "ideal", as close as possible to my prefect rod. I got lucky that other people seem to have similar ideals. So I am happy, yes a shorter rod might be "better" for topwaters, or a more powerful rod might be better when the weather turns sour. But balancing the types of lures that I use and where I use them-My current rod gets the job done.
Other people have different ideals, want rods to do things in a different way-but if they are happy with their rods. That is all that matters.
 

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Oh my head is hurting toooo much thinking going on BUT i know what you mean.
 

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Im very happy not to have a 'perfect' rod . . . . . just means buying 'lots' of rods :wackit: :D.
 

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I don't have enough experience of using different rods etc. BUT: After having fished with one rod, I realised that for certain things it was good, and for others it wasn't. So I now have a heavier hard lure rod, a light hard lure rod, and a rod for SP's (a HRF and an LRF). Its very basic I know. I dont fully understand all the little differences between a 'fast taper' and a 'very fast taper', and doubt whether I could actually tell the difference. When I am using these rods, I am more than happy that they are doing what I want of them, and each does the specific job I bought it for better than the other.

To be honest, I dont know how each rod can be improved much to do the job better, without having used a rod that was 'better' than the ones I use. My SP rods have a lovely sensitive tip which magnify bites yet allow me to control my SP, flicking and twitching easily, having the backbone to haul beast Wrasse out of their stony lairs (HRF rod), or to feel a tap on the drop at range with a 2g jighead in the wind (LRF). How am I supposed to know what a 'better' rod would do if mine is already doing the job ok?

Thats not really much help to anyone, but I guess I can say I'm happy with mine, and will only buy a new ones out of being a tackle wh*re.
 

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Great post Mike,
food for thought and buying blind as we don't have a local stockist means you end up with a broom cupboard full ... boat fishing not a problem as you can have them all rigged up for different purposes but shore fishing it is always going to be a compromise :/

still trying to figure out how to fish two or three rods @ Weymouth ... two is doable but I want to carry three ... !
 

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Mike, luckily I don't have the same problems. I fish with lower end gear - I started on an Ugly Stik Lite spin that I thought was fine and caught me plenty of fish, but now seems way too floppy - and enjoy my fishing for fishing's sake. I can honestly say I have never felt frustrated with the performance of my rod even though I have tried some higher end and no doubt better rods. For me the things that make me go fishing are the chance that "this" trip may be the one when I land a big fish, and the time I can spend with my son in some fabulous locations by the sea. The rod is just the justification to be there, not the reason.
I am in no way meaning to be down on your dilemma, it's just one I don't have. An imperfect (but perfectly serviceable) rod still provides me with plenty of great time fishing and for me that is the priority.
 
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Great answer Tim

Sometimes we spend so much time discussing the tackle that we forget what it's really all about.
 

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I am pretty lucky to have plenty of rods which are 'very good' but I will explain the cause of the problem!
In my freshwater match fishing days I watched a demo of the then new Carbotec feeder rods. Now this was about ten or more years ago. The rod was a revelation, I sold loads of kit, saved my winnings and then stumped up what was to me a ridiculous price of £425. In the next six months or so I won enough money to buy two Carbotec float rods just out of my winnings. That rod was simply stunning. Feeder fishing with 5lb mono and size 14 or 16 hooks it was possible to land double figure carp in a couple of minutes. I never once cracked off on that rod. It was 12ft long, weighed about 5 ounces, would cast 3 or 4 ounce feeders and had more than enough power to land just about any carp hooked in a match.
That has got nothing to do with lure fishing but the technology behind it has. Apart from the Branzinos in Nantes I have seen nothing that comes close to the quality of that blank. The French Branzino are 'European' spec rods. What exactly does that mean? Too heavy for most of my fishing. JDM ones are currently stupid money.
Steelhead rods were mentioned earlier. I have a Loomis Steelhead rods with a blank that is a class apart from anything currently available for similar money but the build is 'old school'. The list goes on, so near but yet so far.....
I suppose what I am frustrated with is other people's views of what they think we need for bass lure fishing. Some things are moving on but not everything....
 

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I think the problem we all have Mike is knowing what we want to fish for with what lure and sticking to it. The scenario you described above is such a good example of having the right tools for the job. It was a specific rod designed for a specific task. Bass fishing and lure fishing in particular isn't so specific as you've described. If your question was, which rod is the holy grail when it comes to a Megabass Zonk or a Patchinko or a Pressbait or a Sindwinder or a Slug-go then I'm sure we could narrow it right down. Problem is we stand on a mark thinking 1 lb or 10lb today, wind in your face or behind, coloured or clear water, weed, spring or neap, high or low tide, sun or overcast and so on, so we pack all the above lures just incase and as one lure fails we clip on another until one works or doesn't as the case may be. There never will be a holy grail of a rod unless you cut out the options and specialise. Look at the Japanese Lure Manufacturers and then look at their in-house rod selection. Megabass, Jackall, Evergreen. Each rod is tested on their own lures and vice-versa so the lures and rod themselves are perfectly matched and almost customised to suit a narrow bracket not a broad scenario. We then try our best to match a Daiwa rod with a Tackle House lure without ever testing a broad selection before we buy just so we get that perfect set up. We wiggle and bend them in a shop but thats never going to give you the answer compared to months of R&D some of JDM stuff get put through. Look at the Steez and the Branzino's they are end tackle specific, the pressos and all that too. There's your holy grail but until we stand on a rock with 3 different lures but all designed for the same job and not mess about with all and sundry 'just incase', then you'll always have someone else's opinion of what we think we need for UK bass lure fishing driving things forward. As I said in the other thread it's often not actually knowing what you need yourself that leaves us wide open to buying what other's think you DO need.

I am feeling very Japanese at the moment though as I've been using my MB Silver Shadow and my new little shimano reel and £40 braid to flick 4gr tiny spinnerbaits at 9" Perch for fun. IT IS the holy grail of baby Perch fishing LOL. That said I could catch as many on a £4.99 whip and half a pint of red maggots but that wouldn't be right now would it?
 

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There is a perfect rod its the one that feels right in your hand. Bit like the wand shop in Harry Potter. **** is the wizard who sells the wands.
 

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The ultimate question... What os the perfect rod?

Well for me and the SP work I do, I have the perfect rod in the Daiwa Infeet 7-21g, it's no good for hard lures but it will manage, but then I don;t fish hard lure very much now so it's not a problem. The only thing it cannot do is cast a big SP on a big jighead into deep water, but I don't do that very often and have another rod (Illex vale Tudo H) for that purpose, which is where the 60g rating comes in quite helpful, 20g SP with a 32g head and it all adds up.
 

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Hi mike i think your post is a cry for help therapy might help lol, on a serious note i dont think there will ever be any one rod that will do it all there is to many variables in all types of fishing. Fishing by its nature is all about compromise
 
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