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loxia said:
great read looking forward to putting it into practice if this weather ever settles.
It will certainly work for you m8.

Best combo's I found around the channels on the points were..

Xlayer 6" with a mr X head in the faster water 2 hrs down through the mid tidal current.

As it slowed, switch to a one up shad on the same head until that starts to hang up. Then...

go through various bachi heads until on the low you are on 5g head 4" one up shad or..

spindle worm or one up on a weighted hook of around 3g.

Use those seam lines, the best one I saw being just inside the stone arm in the deeper sandy pool.
The one that has water cutting in through the bankside.

Go by that corner in the fast water and that is the mr X came good.
Work the whole seam and just quieter inside water as you plastic swings inside.

Don't forget the ocean passage and outward of there on the flood to the RIGHT on the drop and inside on the flood up to the LEFT.

There is a nice crescent shaped hole 2 points back towards the car park from where the fence is too.
I'd bump along there too as it looks particularly good with a steep side, slope and cut formed by converging current.
 

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thanks a lot myfish thats loads of info to keep me busy.the weather is meant to be settling for the weekend so ill be out ill keep you postedthanks again.
 

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yea, us too, glad to try to help. I'll be back on those marks with you asap cause it looks great.

Might be break here in the weather onslaught on Wed so, a skish could be on the planner.

May be more a Pollack trip but hey, anything that pulls the rope eh..
 

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Hi Keith,

Will you and your brother stop writing so fast as I am having trouble keeping up :) :) :) :) :)

Great stuff though.
 

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The Squid said:
Hi Keith,

Will you and your brother stop writing so fast as I am having trouble keeping up :) :) :) :) :)

Great stuff though.
Just something to mill over on a wet, windy, winter evening Squid.

Armed with new stick, you'll be expected to become a plastics masterclass graduate.

Tons more stuff to share but...

We'll let you absorb this for a while first.

Tuning session coming up soon Chris...

Be ready.
 

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Really great stuff again myfish, Very well thought out and presented diagrams too and confirm what you picture in your head when reading the article.

Excited about trying it in the estuary.
 

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Great article MyFish, As all of your seem to be. My very humble thanks for the excellent information you are generously passing on. As a pretty much a total googan when it comes to Soft Plastics. This will really help.
If I can add to your list of questions to answer, where can you get the Mister X heads from. They seem to have just the weight range I have been looking for.
My thanks,
Tunny
 

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More great stuff there.

I have been using SP's a lot just lately but over very rough ground inbetween weed beds etc.

sorry to ask questions but...

I have been using SP's weightless (seems more natural to me) so they only just sink or half the time don't sink at all now I am not using clips (don't fit through the eyes on the new rod).

Should I be doing it the same way as you describe in the article but not bumping bottom?? I am all for learning to myself but it's always good to have some guidance as I have stopped catching now... Might just be the fish being fish and they have moved off but I have seen some flashes under the SP, could be pollack though as all the areas I fish have pollack, 2ft to 15m depth on the marks I fish.
 

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Mosseydog:

Defo work in estuaries m8.

Tunny:

I got my Mister X heads off **** m8.

FishingGuernsey said:
Should I be doing it the same way as you describe in the article but not bumping bottom?? I am all for learning to myself but it's always good to have some guidance as I have stopped catching now...
No, I'd work with your theme some more. Have a think about how you detect, or don't detect takes.
Rig that plastic sideways so it glides down in a flat circular pattern.
Try deadsticking it and only occasionally moving it.

Are you trying to get takes 'on the drop', i would be.
If you current, try what is in the article but, it really requires cleaner ground and lateral flows.

Try researching 'weightless senko' presentations because, there are some massive clues in there which
will work in the ocean. Here is one to get you started and trust me, read it and be a sponge...
http://www.bassdozer.com/articles/senko-fishing.shtml Hope this helps guys..
 

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Cheers MyFish,
Oh well another call to jersey :D
 

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MyFish,
I am not quite there (Yet) rod wise, but I am determined to learn more about successfully using soft plastics. The reason the jig heads caught my eye is the lighter weights (on a decent hook size) As I think up to now I may have been using too much weight, and probably killing any action the softs had.
So assuming I get a selection of 3/0 X heads, What softs are the most idiot proof?? I remember you reconmending paddle tails as a good place to start. So Spindle Worms, One up shads, or some thing else. Any preference colour wise?
I guess in short I am asking "HELP" :oops:
 

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You don't have to spend a fortune m8.

The key is in matching jig head AND hook size to the SP.

I like to work to the 1/3rd rule..

Any shorter and Bass can miss, or fold up the bait. Longer and the bait becomes too stiff and robotic.

Over the years we have had much success with sluggo's etc but the same company do whip tails and SS versions
which exude movement in spades. As for paddle tails, we now use 'one up shads' but, as always, there are tons of alternatives.

A real killer is the madness father shad in 6" but they are, very soft. Perhaps better reserved for when it's real tough.
Xorus rolling shad and sayori shad are tougher.

For active stickbaits I like Xlayer in both the larger sizes but don't rule out el cheapo worms or even creature baits
for bottom grubbing. This stuff is extremely new to ocean borne fishing and especially in Great Britain. No one can say
categorically what will, or won't work yet.

Colour wise, i prefer really neutral shades of most naturally occurring colours.
However, last week in the murky water, I was reaching for yellows and chartreuse or even super bright fire tigers..

I settled for very dark colours in the end but ring the changes, they are cheap enough if you choose carefully.

Spindle worms etc are superb but, not the most user friendly. They break down very quickly and cannot be stored either with
other baits or, each other for that matter.

Xlayers are ok mixed for short periods but they too, bleed.

Fav Xlayer colour is Ayu, close second is 'shrimp and minnow'
I had a good period earlier this season with 'natural fish' and 'loche' father shads. Run out now, must re invest, wrasse ate them.
We use the green and white one up shads and various rolling shad colours..


I'm seriously looking at tube baits. Yes, they are crawdad based but I can't help but feel they will imitate the Cephalopods like
squid and especially cuttlefish. Bass eat those in abundance so why not ?
 

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Keith,

you state in the Leisenring article that it goes "tap, tap, bounce, tap,tap, bounce...urmmm, vague feel....STRIKE!"

Are you only using STRIKE with this method, or with all soft plastics, and/or with plugs?
 

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The Squid said:
Keith,

you state in the Leisenring article that it goes "tap, tap, bounce, tap,tap, bounce...urmmm, vague feel....STRIKE!"

Are you only using STRIKE with this method, or with all soft plastics, and/or with plugs?
Hopefully i can answer this one for you when using soft plastics STRIKE every time you feel something odd/different/strange it's hard to put it into words but when you get the feel for soft plastics you will know what i meen
dai
 
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