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OK, this was touched upon on the other forum I think??

I have been using all sorts of SP's lately with some success, mostly pollack unfortunately but had a bass of 3-5-12 as my first fish on a weightless SP. Pollack on the stuff with leadheads.

The issue I have is the style I like to fish (veeery slow and occasional twitch like a real fish) and the areas in which I fish which they tend not to be all that deep, max 20ft I guess but often just 8ft in places but that's not the top of weed which is at 5ft or so (though its dying back now).

Anyway, I have tried several types of SP, spindle worms, hazedong Magnums, Xlayers, but my fav is the Pafex Sagat and Samara which look like little grasdos/roselet/smelt.

With that lure, in fact with all of them, they sink fairly fast (1ft/sec approx ?) just weightless rigged weedless style.

I feel that if I could get the lure to suspend at a foot or 2 or even in the surface film, I would have more success, especially when it comes to weedy bays where the bass are hunting roselet between the weed beds. I have watched roselet behaviour several times and 90% of their lives seems to be sitting there, hoizontal, not moving with just an occasional movement of the tail to re-align themselves with the tide I guess or change the direction they are facing.

Now suspending hard baits have had great coverage and they normally have the problem of being too buoyant and *fairly* easy to adjust with extra weight etc, this is the other way round in my fishing with SP's, they sink too much. It's Ok on the deeper tide swept marks but not on the shallow rocky weedy bays where I want to have a lifelike roselet on the end of my line which I can make react like a roselet. It's not about attracting the bass in, it's about making it take when it is seen. I know the bass are there, they hunt methodically through the shallows, between the weed, hanging deep and I have been lucky enough to see several attacks on completely stationary roselet which have done nothing at all to attract the bass other than being in the "wrong" place at the "wrong" time.

I want to imitate this by making my SP's more buoyant so I can have a play.

So what can people suggest I do to make an SP more buoyant, the hook is what it is, 2/0 and 3/0 is the right size for the lure, can't do much to make it lighter so I need to shove something up the lures behind?? What can I use? Finding something sinking is fine but what about something to make a lure float more??
Any ideas chaps?? A wonder tound the tackle shop found all sorts of booby beads and bubble floats and polystyrene white float things to float bait up but nothing I thought would work here.

Cheers all!!
 

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On another post somewhere myfish suggested the white foam found in the packaging for Decoy trebles. You could insert slivers of that, lengthways or crossways like a nail weight. Either way you may be able to balance the lure.

Please can you post a photo of the lure in question?

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I've had thoughts on this before but not really come up with any solution. It's common to pop up deadbaits for Pike etc with polystyrene and that would be my only thought here, but getting it inside properly will be a pain. I've used a crochet needle before to pierce a soft plastic to take a stinger hook, perhaps that would work if you left the needle in and gently pulled the opening open enough to get some polys inside, then pulled the needle out. A bit of SP glue would repair any tears. Vidar had some great hollow bodied soft plastics that he showed me when we went vertical jigging for Zander the other week. I'm sure you could get something bouyant inside those with the aid of a needle as half the proplem is breaking through the skin of the soft plastic 1st. Only thoughts ;)
 

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How about starting with a boyant SP like a Hogy, then weighting it very lightly to suspend??
 

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Posibly cutting an ear plug [foam type] into four and inserting it by using one of the glass rattles insert rattle roll up section of ear plug remove rattle insert ear plug section before it expands
 

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Tunny said:
How about starting with a boyant SP like a Hogy, then weighting it very lightly to suspend??
Good idea. I think the problem with the Pafex will be that it is relatively small therefore affected a lot by hookweight.

Dai, the earplug foam idea is a good one too. You've just given me an idea for a SP that I have been working on for a while, I'll post a pic if it works. The problem for proper suspending is always going to be balance though. Some fish rest in a current nose slightly down (eg pollack), others sometimes "idle" against it nose up (eg sandeels).
 

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It might be a stupidly rediculous idea in practise, but what about injecting air in to them? Like with a lob worm?
 

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st ouen said:
Tunny said:
How about starting with a boyant SP like a Hogy, then weighting it very lightly to suspend??
Good idea. I think the problem with the Pafex will be that it is relatively small therefore affected a lot by hookweight.

Dai, the earplug foam idea is a good one too. You've just given me an idea for a SP that I have been working on for a while, I'll post a pic if it works. The problem for proper suspending is always going to be balance though. Some fish rest in a current nose slightly down (eg pollack), others sometimes "idle" against it nose up (eg sandeels).
Like you say balance will always be a problem but luckily[spelling see what i meen about the easy words] most of the soft plastics are relativly cheap and it won't break the bank to do a few experiments with
good luck and let us know how you get along dai
 

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Cheers for the thoughts, I had also thought along the lines of injecting air (but would it not escape from entrance hole??) and also inserting soemthing like polystyrene or ear plugs are a great idea.

The Lures in question are these: http://www.pafex.eu/description.php?lan ... =0&id=1979 that's the colour I am using. Dead lookalike for a sprat/grasdos/roselet if a little long.


I tied today with a 2/0 aberdeen hook and they sank slowly so better. See catch reports in a minute...
 

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what you need is a hole punch, like the ones used to make extra holes in belts.
Make the holes just smaller than the foam inserts ACROSS the body from flank to flank.

pull through a foam section with a spot of glue and trim with a very sharp blade.

I do it this way because foam that is too compressed doesn't add enough buoyancy and...

by using various punch sizes, you can balance most baits and they still remain supple.
 
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